24-10-2024 05:04 PM
24-10-2024 05:04 PM
4 kms away @tyme. So they are 5 minutes.
The trip was ok. I did enjoy doing the bush walk. Plus I did shopping for more arts and craft stuff so that was good. I need to try and find something new to try and find something I may enjoy.
Have you had a big few days? Or lack of sleep due to kids.
24-10-2024 05:23 PM
24-10-2024 05:23 PM
Hey @Captain24 glad to hear that you're home and I hope you're able to have a nice evening in your space with the tired babies tonight
24-10-2024 05:24 PM
24-10-2024 05:24 PM
Hey @Captain24 ,
I reckon I've just stayed up doing things. I can't complain. I'm not a walking zombie or anything.
I'm really really enjoying taking Ruby to the dog park. I want to do it every day but I'm not getting there.
Have you had a rest today?
In a way, it's good your parents are close but not in the same house lol. As we all know.
24-10-2024 05:25 PM
24-10-2024 05:25 PM
Hey @Captain24 glad to hear that you're home and I hope you're able to have a nice evening in your space with the tired babies tonight
24-10-2024 05:31 PM
24-10-2024 05:31 PM
Okay word vomit it is haha @Captain24
SO one of the things I've spent time mulling over for myself is the difference between self-care, and self-soothing. Then under the banner of self-care I have also spent time reflecting on the difference between caring for and caring about. So I'm gonna try to break it down!! Please keep in mind this is just how I narrativise my thoughts and experiences and it isn't necessarily absolute truth, I'm just rambling my opinions which you can pick n choose which bits you like and wanna keep 😉
I think the phrase 'self-care' has been thrown around so much that it's begun to lose meaning. Especially because everyone's self-care is going to look different, so it's not like there's ever gonna be a nice easy manual or anything. But one of the things I've noticed is that I think people will frequently recommend 'self-care' in moments when what is actually needed is self-soothing.
Self-soothing is the in-the-moment coping tools and strategies we use to try to soothe our dysregulated emotional state. We are soothing the distress. So that's all the stuff like breathing, grounding, distractions, etc etc. And then self-care is the ongoing daily practice of doing the things we know to be good for us. There can definitely be overlap as well! Like you might find bubble baths are something that are both, because they can help soothe when distressed, but it is also something you know is good for your muscles and so you do it all the time, not just when dysregulated.
But like if bubble baths are only a self-care thing not a self-soothing thing, and you're feeling super upset or overwhelmed and someone says 'Oh don't forget your self-care!' and you think 'Well, I like baths for self care but it's like... how in the frick frackle fook is a bubble bath gonna help me right now?'
So yeah I think that might be one factor as to why it can actually become almost triggering for us to have people insist that self-care is needed when sometimes, we actually don't have energy for that - we literally need to bring it all back to basics and focus only on self-soothing our frazzled nervous system.
Then the distinction between caring for and caring about. To me, caring for, is the actions we take to look after another person. Caring about, is when you genuinely care about what happens to that person/they are important to you in your life. So that means you can care for someone without caring about them - and I don't mean in a callous way of like, you wouldn't blink if they died or something, but more just that they're not a significant or meaningful relationship. Easiest example of this is just the difference between paid caring work, and a child caring for an elderly parent, for example.
I think the reason this distinction has been important for me as I have worked on my self-esteem, is that I have had to force myself to care for myself, even when I was so bloody depressed and swimming in self-loathing that I didn't care about myself. I think the thing is, over time, the more we show ourselves that we can care for ourselves (or in other words, meet our own needs), the easier it starts to become to care about ourselves too. It can't be forced, I think it just kinda grows slowly over time, especially if you're also working on your self-esteem in other areas of your life too. But you can just focus on one little tiny aspect of self-esteem at a time if you need. It's a biggun after all!
So to me, self-care can sound like this:
"I am so bloody tired but I know if I don't go for a walk today I'm going to feel restless later."
"I haven't the energy to even brush my teeth right now but they feel gross so I'm gonna at least gargle mouthwash."
"All I want is to eat this entire block of chocolate cos I feel like crap. But I know it'll make me feel nauseous and ashamed so I'm going to resist."
Self care should NOT be "If I don't do this art that I'm supposed to be enjoying but has become a chore, I will be failing at self-care." Self-care cannot be shaming, otherwise it's not self-care, it's using manipulation tactics to guilt trip ourselves into doing something that we don't want to do.
Okay... I think that's all for now! If I remember anything else I'll let you know. But take as much time you need to sit with it all hun, and I hope it resonates with you 💜
24-10-2024 05:35 PM
24-10-2024 05:35 PM
Thanks @Ru-bee
Im looking forward to sleeping in my own bed in silence. Dad had the tv blaring every night. Also being able to wake up when I’m ready, mum got up at 5:30 every morning.
Both dogs are out like a light right now.
Tomorrow will be a me day.
24-10-2024 05:39 PM
24-10-2024 05:39 PM
Sounds like getting a good sleep would've been a challenge @Captain24
Enjoying your own bed tonight and then taking a day for yourself sounds like such a good idea
24-10-2024 05:39 PM
24-10-2024 05:39 PM
It’s good that she loves the park. @tyme My dogs aren’t a fan.
I’ve been unpacking and doing washing since I got home. I didn’t get home until after 2. Tomorrow will be a rest day!!
It’s good that they are close so they can look after the dogs and if they need anything. Especially with all the health issues in the last 12 months. But i definitely couldn’t live with them, it would be way too much and I wouldn’t cope at all.
24-10-2024 05:49 PM
24-10-2024 05:49 PM
LOL. Hope you get a good rest then @Captain24 !
24-10-2024 05:52 PM
24-10-2024 05:52 PM
Haha look at that I already have another thought @Captain24
When it comes to hobbies and interests, I think they can be part of our self-care, but they might also need to have their own like... I guess you could call it a mentally-boundaried space. Or a better word might be to keep them 'sacred'.
As you can sorta see from the examples I gave above, sometimes you do have to force self-care. And like, if self-care is attending to our needs, I would argue that having hobbies and interests is in fact a need. But it's further up the ladder!! You know Maslow's hierarchy? So hobbies and stuff comes under esteem and self-actualisation, but if you are super dysregulated because a need further down the ladder is unmet, then it's probably gonna feel like you're having to force it, because your body doesn't feel safe to actually engage with those higher level needs when the baseline needs are like, screaming for attention.
So when I say to keep them 'sacred' I mean that for you, considering how you've been feeling, it's probably not all that helpful to include them under the banner of 'self-care'. Or maybe these activities can be self-care, but you can't engage with them as self-care whilst self-soothing is still required. You can always reserve them as activities for when you're feeling more settled internally, and hopefully then the process can become soothing and enjoyable again.
Does this resonate? What do you think?
If you need urgent assistance, see Need help now
For mental health information, support, and referrals, contact SANE Support Services
SANE Forums is published by SANE with funding from the Australian Government Department of Health
SANE - ABN 92 006 533 606
PO Box 1226, Carlton VIC 3053
Help us push aside the stigma and discrimination surrounding complex mental health and change the way people talk about, and care for, mental illness.
SANE acknowledges the Traditional Owners of Country throughout Australia and recognises the continuing connection to lands, waters and communities. We pay our respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures; and to Elders past and present.
SANE values diversity. We are committed to providing a safe, culturally appropriate, and inclusive service for all people, regardless of their ethnicity, faith, disability, sexuality, or gender identity.
Help us push aside the stigma and discrimination surrounding complex mental health and change the way people talk about, and care for, mental illness.
SANE acknowledges the Traditional Owners of Country throughout Australia and recognises the continuing connection to lands, waters and communities. We pay our respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures; and to Elders past and present.
SANE values diversity. We are committed to providing a safe, culturally appropriate, and inclusive service for all people, regardless of their ethnicity, faith, disability, sexuality, or gender identity.
SANE is a public company limited by guarantee and registered tax-exempt charity with DGR (Deductible Gift Recipient) status.
Charity ABN 92 006 533 606. Donations of $2 or more are tax deductible. SANE, PO Box 1226, Carlton VIC 3053.